Mark Zuckerberg, founder and CEO of Facebook, based in Palo Alto, California, was today named Time Magazine’s Person of the Year. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger inducted the 26-year old Zuckerberg into the California Hall of Fame last night in Sacramento.

** QUICK HITS. The California Supreme Court today denied a request to intervene against the initiative by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and other reformers to create an open primary. The initiative, Proposition 14, passed in June on a 54% to 46% vote after losing earlier during Schwarzenegger’s governorship. While the case remains at the appellate court level, this should help clear the way for open primary elections beginning in 2012. Meanwhile, a special election to fill a vacant state senate seat early next year will take place under open primary rules. … Governor-elect Jerry Brown’s sister, former California Treasurer Kathleen Brown, is moving from Los Angeles to Chicago to head up investment banking for Goldman Sachs in the Midwest region. She has been in charge of public finance for the Western states. Clearly continuing in that role, with her brother returning to California’s governorship, would have created the appearance of a conflict of interest with regard to the 1994 Democratic gubernatorial nominee. Brown’s husband, former CBS News president Van Gordon Sauter, has deep roots in Chicago. … The Sacramento Bee, which is much interested in where Jerry Brown is going to live in Sacramento, with reporters asking me if I know, reported that he was looking at a few apartments in the downtown Sacramento area today. He has previously looked at apartments in, yes, the downtown Sacramento area. My view is that we will know soon enough which apartment he will rent in the downton Sacramento area.

** NEW COLUMN COMING UP … 2010: A JERRY BROWN ODYSSEY.

** BOXER AND FEINSTEIN JOIN OVERWHELMING SENATE MAJORITY IN PASSAGE OF THE OBAMA COMPROMISE ON TAX CUTS AND ECONOMIC STIMULUS. The U.S. Senate today passed President Barack Obama’s $858 billion tax cuts and economic stimulus compromise with Senate Republican leaders on a vote of 81 to 19.

Both Barbara Boxer, one of the most liberal senators, who was re-elected last month, and her California colleague Dianne Feinstein voted in favor.

Boxer had quite a bit to say about her vote:

“The framework of the bill,” she explained in her statement, “was sent to us by President Obama. There were negotiations with our Republican colleagues and then one very important addition was made to the bill because many of us here in the Senate wanted that, and I’m grateful for that addition.

“It was the 1603 program which is critical to our clean energy businesses and will result in tens of thousands of jobs because it allows companies that are moving forward with solar, wind and geothermal clean energy projects to essentially get a tax credit up front. It’s essential because there are a lot of plans on the drawing boards and if this hadn’t been renewed, we would have lost those plans and we would have lost those jobs.

“I wanted to lay out some of what compelled me to vote ‘yes’ to move that bill forward. The fact is this bill will be a help to the middle class.

“Different parties bring different passions to the table, and those passions are held deeply. I think the passion that the Democrats brought to the table was that first and foremost, the people who have been desperately hurt by this slow economic recovery aren’t left in the lurch for the next year. We brought that passion that we had to make sure that middle-class families who lost their jobs don’t lose everything else — their home, the ability to send their kids to school, and that they have this bridge of unemployment insurance.

“The other passion was to make sure that the middle class didn’t get a tax increase. We were passionate on the point and wanted tax credits for business that resulted in jobs.

“Those were the passions we brought to the table. I think it’s fair to say the passions the Republicans brought to the table were to help make sure that the very wealthiest got taken care of in any deal.

“Why do I say that? It’s a fact in evidence.

“Their non-negotiable terms included extension of the tax cuts to billionaires and millionaires. That was it. Just as we were passionate about helping the middle class, they were passionate on this point.

“This tax bill that I voted to move forward will help our working families. There’s a two percent cut in payroll taxes. There is the extension of the child tax credit from the Recovery Act, the earned-income tax credit, the childcare tax credit, education relief, refundable tax credits for college, the 1603 (renewable energy) provision, job-creating incentives, bonus depreciation and small business capital gains exclusion.

“I think moving ahead with this was very, very important. Most economic forecasters estimate the legislation will increase GDP growth and I think that is critical at this time.”

** NEW POLL: MIXED THOUGH MOSTLY POSITIVE REVIEWS FOR OBAMA ON TAX AND ECONOMY COMPROMISE. President Barack Obama’s compromise deal with some Republican leaders on tax policy and economic stimulus yields mixed if mostly positive reviews in the new Gallup Poll.

The data doesn’t support the notion of a Democratic primary challenge to Obama.

The largest segment of Americans, 38%, believe he struck the right balance, while, by 26% to 21%, slightly more say he did not compromise enough than say he compromised too much. Another 15% are unsure.

These findings are based on a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Dec. 10-12.

Some of the strongest congressional opposition to the tax deal has come from the Democratic caucus, stirring media speculation about whether Obama could face a challenge from the left in 2012. About a third of rank-and-file Democrats believe Obama compromised too much, but the majority (55%) say he either did not compromise enough or was about right.

Along the same lines, most Democrats (78%) say either that their respect for Obama has grown as a result of his work on the tax agreement or that their opinion of him has not changed. Fewer than one in five — 17% — say they respect him less.

The views of Democrats on this issue mirror those of the American public. …

The poll was conducted amid heated political debate in Washington over the merits of the compromise, and prior to any votes being cast. The rancorous tone from Congress during this period may not have sat well with Americans, and this is possibly seen in the sharp drop in Congress’ approval rating in December to a record-low 13%. Obama’s approval rating is largely unchanged. …

Republicans are a bit less pessimistic in their interpretation of the tax negotiations than independents and Democrats. This may reflect the fact that, by 57% to 48%, Republicans are slightly more likely than Democrats to support congressional passage of the plan, and may therefore be more tolerant of the process that produced it.

More generally, 49% of Americans think Congress should pass the compromise plan, 32% think Congress should not pass it, and 18% are unsure.

Bottom Line

Americans have told Gallup they value compromise over principled conflict. Now that President Obama and Republican leaders have, indeed, compromised over the extension of the Bush tax cuts, Americans seem to be saying “the compromise is fine, but next time, do it more gracefully.”


With the Senate about to act, President Barack Obama this morning called for prompt passage of the compromise tax and economic stimulus deal.

** OBAMA TODAY. President Barack Obama is in Washington today.

Obama has received the daily intelligence and economic briefings in the Oval Office.

Obama delivered a statement to the press at the Eisenhower Executive Office Bldg.

Then at 6:30 AM Pacific, he began a working meeting with business leaders at Blair House.

At 1:05 PM Pacific, Obama meets with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the Oval Office.

For his part, Vice President Joe Biden chairs a United Nations Security Council High-Level Meeting on Iraq at the United Nations.

Obama is spending most of his effort pushing for his big compromise deal on extension of the Bush/Cheney era tax cuts, extension of unemployment benefits, new benefits for the middle class, incentives for renewable energy, and ratification of the lynchpin U.S.-Russia nuclear arms treaty.

The tax and economic portions sailed through an anti-filibuster vote Monday in the Senate, on a vote of 85 to 11.

Republican presidential co-frontrunner Mitt Romney, as expected, came out against the deal yesterday.

The Senate is likely to pass the tax and economic stimulus bill today.

The Senate will then take up the nuclear arms treaty with Russia on Thursday. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada says the votes are now there for ratification.

But Senate Minority Leader Jon Kyl of Arizona, who alternates between extreme opposition and claiming he has an open mind, says he will block the bill because there is not enough time to consider it between now and the end of the year.

Obama is putting the finishing touches on the year-end review of AfPak strategy and will present it on Thursday.


Wikileaks founder Julian Assange remains in jail in London.

Obama is also monitoring geopolitical crises in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, and the Korean peninsula, as well as the Wikileaks crisis.

** FROM THE JERRY FILES. Governor-elect Jerry Brown is in the San Francisco Bay Area and Sacramento today.

Yesterday he held his second “civic dialogue” event on California’s chronic budget crisis, this one focusing on education, in the Grand Ballroom of Ackerman Union at UCLA.

Brown made it clear that his first budget, which is due at the printer today prior to its unveiling on January 10th, will be very austere, with shocking cuts.

Then it wlll be up to the people, who polls show have some wildly uninformed views about the budget, to contemplate the situation.

Last night in Sacramento, Brown accepted the award of his late father’s induction into the California Hall of Fame from Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who referred to Governor Pat as the “builder of modern California.”

For his part, the once and future governor said that the term that most brought to mind his father is “go-getter,” which Brown implicitly applied to Schwarzenegger, a quintessential go-getter, as well as the other Hall of Fame inductees.

Brown then told an amusing anecdote about the time he took his father to a monastery, where the former governor was thoroughly bored by the silence and meditation.

Having gone on vacation with Pat Brown, I can only imagine.

Jerry Brown, incidentally, will continue the California Hall of Fame program during his next governorship.

** FROM THE ARNOLD FILE. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is in Los Angeles and the Inland Empire today.

At 10 AM, Schwarzenegger will join the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation and local San Bernardino County officials to celebrate the groundbreaking of the Adelanto Detention Center Expansion Project, the first jail construction project as a result of AB 900, a prison reform program enacted in 2007.

The event will be webcast live on www.gov.ca.gov.

… THE CALIFORNIA AS FIRST “FAILED STATE” DEBATE: SCHWARZENEGGER, DAVIS, WHITMAN, AND JERRY BROWN. … From my March 2nd column.

Here is my series of five columns on the governorship of Arnold Schwarzenegger for the Los Angeles Times in debate in fall 2008, prior to the global economic meltdown, with Pulitzer Prize-winning former Times reporter/editor Bill Boyarsky, whose columns are also included. You can listen to my video webchat last year with Schwarzenegger here. It covers most of the major issues and also reveals his cameo in the latest Terminator movie.

** JERRY BROWN ON CRISES PAST AND PRESENT. As Jerry Brown prepares to become California’s oldest governor more than three decades after he became its youngest in the modern era, keeping his own counsel, many search for clues to his thinking. As usual, the past is prologue, especially when it comes to thoughts of the future for this determinedly futurist politician.

Brown, as you know, won a landslide 54% to 41% victory in securing his third term as governor of America’s largest state, which is in turn the world’s eighth largest economy, equal to New York and Texas combined. In crushing billionaire Meg Whitman’s much vaunted machine, the biggest-spending non-presidential campaign in American history, by 1.3 million votes, Brown won more votes than any gubernatorial candidate in history. But his history in presidential politics has been decidedly more mixed.

Ironically, it may be the least successful of his three runs for the White House that turned out to be the most interesting. And the most relevant for what is to come in his historic third term as California’s governor, especially given his Wednesday summit in Sacramento laying out the stark reality of the state’s chronic budget crisis. Brown didn’t paper over deep problems in his most famous speech as a presidential candidate, a Francis Ford Coppola-produced address in 1980 that is eerily relevant today. And he’s not papering them over now. … From my December 10th essay.

** THE BEATLES’ RUBBER SOUL: 45TH ANNIVERSARY OF ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL ALBUMS. Music changed, thanks to an album released 45 years ago. Now it may be changed back. From my December 4th essay.

** OBAMA, ARNOLD, JERRY, AND THE BIG GREEN DREAM. From my November 30th feature.

** IF IT’S NOT ONE THING, IT’S ANOTHER: OBAMA’S BURGEONING GEOPOLITICAL CRISES. From my November 26th column.

** JERRY BROWN AND THE CALIFORNIA EXCEPTION.From my November 22nd feature.

** OBAMA’S BIG MISTAKE. .… From my November 2nd column.

** OBAMA: RIDING WITH HISTORY. (NOTE: As Barack Obama was inaugurated as the 44th president of the United States, this column was the featured column on the top of the front page of the Huffington Post.) … From my January 19th, 2009 Huffington Post column.

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** TRACK GLOBAL AND NATIONAL ENERGY PRICES IN NEAR REAL TIME VIA BLOOMBERG ENERGY MARKET WATCH. Having crashed over $147 for yet another record on July 11th, 2008, crude oil is trading around $88 per barrel.

This is up about $54 from the low of $34 per barrel prior to enactment of the Obama economic recovery program, reflecting a low point in global economic activity.

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46 Responses to “Non-Random Notes (Throughout the day)”

  1. Jonas Blane says:

    Good statement by President Obama.

  2. Jonas Blane says:

    Good news video on Julian Assange.

  3. Elizabeth Miller says:

    President Obama’s latest pronouncement on the tax and stimulus deal has crystallized what I find so troublesome about how he has handled this issue with Congress. The President said, “there are different aspects of this plan to which members of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, object. That’s the nature of compromise.”

    Despite knowing better, the president publically confers a false equivalency to the objections being made on various aspects of this deal, without making any distinction between reality-based arguments that rely on the facts and vacuous rants that find their basis in sheer fantasy and have no place in the fine art of compromise, especially when the consequences can be so severe.

    Hopefully, once this deal is done, President Obama will be free to adopt a more effective and responsible approach to ensure that the damaging parts of this bill will indeed expire in two years.

  4. Capitol Boy says:

    Excellent statement by Barack, reflecting political reality. :)

  5. Capitol Boy says:

    Is he in or is he out?

    Jonas Blane says:
    December 15, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Good news video on Julian Assange.

  6. Capitol Boy says:

    Too funny!!

    BB:Last night in Sacramento, Brown accepted the award of his late father’s induction into the California Hall of Fame from Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who referred to Governor Pat as the “builder of modern California.”

    For his part, the once and future governor said that the term that most brought to mind his father is “go-getter,” which Brown implicitly applied to Schwarzenegger, a quintessential go-getter, as well as the other Hall of Fame inductees.

    Brown then told an amusing anecdote about the time he took his father to a monastery, where the former governor was thoroughly bored by the silence and meditation.

    Having gone on vacation with Pat Brown, I can only imagine.

  7. Capitol Boy says:

    What was that like??

    BB: Having gone on vacation with Pat Brown, I can only imagine.

  8. Requiem says:

    I don’t like Obama’s compromise either, Liz, but you don’t attack people you have to make a deal with…

  9. Requiem says:

    It’s an outrage how he’s being treated.

    Jonas Blane says:
    December 15, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Good news video on Julian Assange.

  10. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Well, isn’t that just great. Who said anything about attacking people!?

    Is it OK with you if we attack the arguments some people make and expose these arguments for the complete and utter nonsense that they are?

    I’m just sayin’ …

    Requiem says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:35 am
    I don’t like Obama’s compromise either, Liz, but you don’t attack people you have to make a deal with…

  11. Capitol Boy says:

    I think he’s saying that you don’t act all arrogant like only your arguments are right when you make a deal with somebody…

  12. Capitol Boy says:

    This sounds pretty good.

    ** NEW POLL: MIXED THOUGH MOSTLY POSITIVE REVIEWS FOR OBAMA ON TAX AND ECONOMY COMPROMISE. President Barack Obama’s compromise deal with some Republican leaders on tax policy and economic stimulus yields mixed if mostly positive reviews in the new Gallup Poll.

    The data doesn’t support the notion of a Democratic primary challenge to Obama.

  13. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Sometimes, the political reality is that one side is offering up some arguments that are, as in this case, spurious and completely without merit.

    That’s not being arrogant. That is simply being capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction.

    >>Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:59 am
    I think he’s saying that you don’t act all arrogant like only your arguments are right when you make a deal with somebody…

  14. Dana says:

    “Obama, under criticism for being very anti-business…”

    This is the Wall Street Journal editorial page, U.S. Cahmber and such like. Isn’t their real complaint that he isn’t catering to them the way the Bushies did plus Obama has spoken out against the toxic culture that created the economic meltdown and put through reforms to bring Wall Street to heel. They resent this and so attack the messenger.

  15. Capitol Boy says:

    I don’t think you get it.

    Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 11:37 am
    Sometimes, the political reality is that one side is offering up some arguments that are, as in this case, spurious and completely without merit.

    That’s not being arrogant. That is simply being capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction.

    >>Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:59 am
    I think he’s saying that you don’t act all arrogant like only your arguments are right when you make a deal with somebody…

  16. Jonas Blane says:

    More video today?

  17. Jack Aubrey says:

    Mark Zuckerberg?!

  18. Jack Aubrey says:

    Because it’s always good negotiating to say your partners are liars and frauds? :)

    Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 11:37 am
    Sometimes, the political reality is that one side is offering up some arguments that are, as in this case, spurious and completely without merit.

    That’s not being arrogant. That is simply being capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction.

    >>Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:59 am
    I think he’s saying that you don’t act all arrogant like only your arguments are right when you make a deal with somebody…

  19. Jack Aubrey says:

    Still in…

    Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 9:57 am
    Is he in or is he out?

    Jonas Blane says:
    December 15, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Good news video on Julian Assange.

  20. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Only when they are, Jack … only when they are.

  21. Elizabeth Miller says:

    You’re probably right.

    Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 11:55 am
    I don’t think you get it.

  22. Bill Bradley says:

    You seem to prefer, in effect, principled chaos.

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 2:55 pm (Edit)

    Only when they are, Jack … only when they are.

  23. Bill Bradley says:

    I know, I know …

    > Jack Aubrey says:
    December 15, 2010 at 1:58 pm (Edit)

    Mark Zuckerberg?!

  24. Bill Bradley says:

    Yes.

    > Jack Aubrey says:
    December 15, 2010 at 2:00 pm (Edit)

    Still in…

    Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 9:57 am
    Is he in or is he out?

    Jonas Blane says:
    December 15, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Good news video on Julian Assange.

  25. Bill Bradley says:

    It’s a broader critique than that.

    > Dana says:
    December 15, 2010 at 11:49 am (Edit)

    “Obama, under criticism for being very anti-business…”

    This is the Wall Street Journal editorial page, U.S. Cahmber and such like. Isn’t their real complaint that he isn’t catering to them the way the Bushies did plus Obama has spoken out against the toxic culture that created the economic meltdown and put through reforms to bring Wall Street to heel. They resent this and so attack the messenger.

  26. Bill Bradley says:

    I’m chucking reading this …

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 11:37 am (Edit)

    Sometimes, the political reality is that one side is offering up some arguments that are, as in this case, spurious and completely without merit.

    That’s not being arrogant. That is simply being capable of distinguishing between fact and fiction.

    >>Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:59 am
    I think he’s saying that you don’t act all arrogant like only your arguments are right when you make a deal with somebody…

  27. Bill Bradley says:

    There certainly won’t be any serious primary challenge.

    > Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:59 am (Edit)

    This sounds pretty good.

    ** NEW POLL: MIXED THOUGH MOSTLY POSITIVE REVIEWS FOR OBAMA ON TAX AND ECONOMY COMPROMISE. President Barack Obama’s compromise deal with some Republican leaders on tax policy and economic stimulus yields mixed if mostly positive reviews in the new Gallup Poll.

    The data doesn’t support the notion of a Democratic primary challenge to Obama.

  28. Bill Bradley says:

    It was very nice, back in the early ’90s.

    > Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 10:03 am (Edit)

    What was that like??

    BB: Having gone on vacation with Pat Brown, I can only imagine.

  29. Bill Bradley says:

    The idea that tax incentives have value is not a “rant.”

    I don’t think this is the way to go, but there are serious economic arguments to be made.

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 8:26 am (Edit)

    President Obama’s latest pronouncement on the tax and stimulus deal has crystallized what I find so troublesome about how he has handled this issue with Congress. The President said, “there are different aspects of this plan to which members of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, object. That’s the nature of compromise.”

    Despite knowing better, the president publically confers a false equivalency to the objections being made on various aspects of this deal, without making any distinction between reality-based arguments that rely on the facts and vacuous rants that find their basis in sheer fantasy and have no place in the fine art of compromise, especially when the consequences can be so severe.

    Hopefully, once this deal is done, President Obama will be free to adopt a more effective and responsible approach to ensure that the damaging parts of this bill will indeed expire in two years.

  30. Elizabeth Miller says:

    I’m hoping you didn’t hurt yourself.

    Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    I’m chucking reading this …

  31. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Arguments in favour of the real tax incentives in this package, such as the incentives that are directed toward the middle class, are most certainly NOT a “rant”. Tax incentives directed at the middle class have certain value, especially considering that the economy is still struggling to recover from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

    There are, however, no serious economic arguments to be made in favour of the tax incentives to the top two or three percent of the wealthiest Americans. We have the last couple of decades to examine which will demonstrate that.

    >>Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    The idea that tax incentives have value is not a “rant.”

    I don’t think this is the way to go, but there are serious economic arguments to be made.

  32. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Is that really what it seems like? Actually, truth be known … my initial reaction to this compromise was of the knee-jerk variety, principally because I did not realize that this was as much, if not more, of a second stimulus package than any sort of reconciliation over the Bush/Cheney era tax cuts. As such, I expect that the overall impact of this bill on a still struggling economy will be overwhelmingly positive. And, of course, there is still the persistent hope that the damaging tax cuts, at the very least for the wealthiest Americans, will expire at the end of 2012.

    My only complaint about all of this is, at the risk of repeating myself, the false equivalency that everyone seems so happily willing to place on the arguments being made for and against the extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich in terms of the impact on the economy when one set of arguments clearly has no basis in reality.

    Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    You seem to prefer, in effect, principled chaos.

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 2:55 pm (Edit)

    Only when they are, Jack … only when they are.

    Jack Aubrey says:
    December 15, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Because it’s always good negotiating to say your partners are liars and frauds?:)

  33. Bill Bradley says:

    Well, since the Republicans were clearly not budging on the tax cuts issue and there was no big groundswell against them in the middle of the holiday season, thus leaving the real world alternative of expired tax cuts and unemployment benefits for all and no further stimulus …

  34. Bill Bradley says:

    When you announce a deal, with people you are going to have make a few deals with in the future, it’s best not to call them ranters when they express an opinion that is widely shared, including in academic and business circles …

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:26 pm (Edit)

    Arguments in favour of the real tax incentives in this package, such as the incentives that are directed toward the middle class, are most certainly NOT a “rant”. Tax incentives directed at the middle class have certain value, especially considering that the economy is still struggling to recover from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

    There are, however, no serious economic arguments to be made in favour of the tax incentives to the top two or three percent of the wealthiest Americans. We have the last couple of decades to examine which will demonstrate that.

    >>Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    The idea that tax incentives have value is not a “rant.”

    I don’t think this is the way to go, but there are serious economic arguments to be made.

  35. Bill Bradley says:

    Actually, I meant “chuckling” … :)

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:20 pm (Edit)

    I’m hoping you didn’t hurt yourself.

    Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    I’m chucking reading this …

  36. Elizabeth Miller says:

    Well, as long as you’re laughing with me and not at me … :)

  37. Elizabeth Miller says:

    I can’t imagine that there are many worth their own salt in academic and business circles who really believe that the Bush/Cheney era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans have had a great stimulative effect on the economy or have produced a good record of creating jobs. In any event, the available evidence simply does not demonstrate any such thing.

    Part of what presidential leadership is all about must be about setting the record straight as to what the facts are and what amounts to vacuous rants. Surely you are not saying that the president should just accept any old excuse for an argument as being just another part of the art of compromise.

    I know you care about the facts and you are certainly not one to shy away from calling out nonsense, from wherever it may come. So, I’m really having a hard time understanding where you’re coming from on this one.

    >>Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    When you announce a deal, with people you are going to have make a few deals with in the future, it’s best not to call them ranters when they express an opinion that is widely shared, including in academic and business circles …

  38. Capitol Boy says:

    Wow, the energizer bunny of arguing… :)

  39. Capitol Boy says:

    This is very smart of KB moving for JB. What a sister!

    The other thing is dumb. Does the SacBee want to encourage stalkers??

    … Governor-elect Jerry Brown’s sister, former California Treasurer Kathleen Brown, is moving from Los Angeles to Chicago to head up investment banking for Goldman Sachs in the Midwest region. She has been in charge of public finance for the Western states. Clearly continuing in that role, with her brother returning to California’s governorship, would have created the appearance of a conflict of interest with regard to the 1994 Democratic gubernatorial nominee. Brown’s husband, former CBS News president Van Gordon Sauter, has deep roots in Chicago. … The Sacramento Bee, which is much interested in where Jerry Brown is going to live in Sacramento, with reporters asking me if I know, reported that he was looking at a few apartments in the downtown Sacramento area today. He has previously looked at apartments in, yes, the downtown Sacramento area. My view is that we will know soon enough which apartment he will rent in the downton Sacramento area.

  40. Elizabeth Miller says:

    I’ve been called worse … :)

    >>Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm
    Wow, the energizer bunny of arguing…

  41. Elizabeth Miller says:

    I’ve always liked Senator Boxer … just for the record.

  42. Jonas Blane says:

    What new video today?

  43. Bill Bradley says:

    Yes, though it’s kind of sad that Kathleen won’t be around during her brother’s governorship.

    > Capitol Boy says:
    December 15, 2010 at 5:57 pm (Edit)

    This is very smart of KB moving for JB. What a sister!

    The other thing is dumb. Does the SacBee want to encourage stalkers??

    … Governor-elect Jerry Brown’s sister, former California Treasurer Kathleen Brown, is moving from Los Angeles to Chicago to head up investment banking for Goldman Sachs in the Midwest region. She has been in charge of public finance for the Western states. Clearly continuing in that role, with her brother returning to California’s governorship, would have created the appearance of a conflict of interest with regard to the 1994 Democratic gubernatorial nominee. Brown’s husband, former CBS News president Van Gordon Sauter, has deep roots in Chicago. … The Sacramento Bee, which is much interested in where Jerry Brown is going to live in Sacramento, with reporters asking me if I know, reported that he was looking at a few apartments in the downtown Sacramento area today. He has previously looked at apartments in, yes, the downtown Sacramento area. My view is that we will know soon enough which apartment he will rent in the downton Sacramento area.

  44. Bill Bradley says:

    I think I’ve been clear in my assessment.

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 5:30 pm (Edit)

    I can’t imagine that there are many worth their own salt in academic and business circles who really believe that the Bush/Cheney era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans have had a great stimulative effect on the economy or have produced a good record of creating jobs. In any event, the available evidence simply does not demonstrate any such thing.

    Part of what presidential leadership is all about must be about setting the record straight as to what the facts are and what amounts to vacuous rants. Surely you are not saying that the president should just accept any old excuse for an argument as being just another part of the art of compromise.

    I know you care about the facts and you are certainly not one to shy away from calling out nonsense, from wherever it may come. So, I’m really having a hard time understanding where you’re coming from on this one.

    >>Bill Bradley says:
    December 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    When you announce a deal, with people you are going to have make a few deals with in the future, it’s best not to call them ranters when they express an opinion that is widely shared, including in academic and business circles …

  45. Bill Bradley says:

    Indeed.

    > Elizabeth Miller says:
    December 15, 2010 at 4:59 pm (Edit)

    Well, as long as you’re laughing with me and not at me … :)

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