Former President Bill Clinton criticizes Barack Obama as Hillary
Clinton falls back in early contests.
The week ahead in presidential politics sees the longtime frontrunners in both parties, Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani, in deep trouble, with most of the candidates converging on Iowa for the rest of the month. Along with Bill Clinton, now trying to boost his wife back into the lead there, the strain showing in his late Friday night appearance on Charlie Rose where he spent much of his time criticizing Barack Obama, his face flushed and his advisors in the control room reportedly trying to get the producers to end the interview.
The irony, of course, is that, were he not married to Hillary Clinton, the ex-president might well be advising Obama, whom he clearly admires even as he insists he’s not qualified.
The presidential races have taken quite the turn. On the Democratic side, in a direction that should be no surprise for New West Notes readers. On the Republican side, into more chaos. None of which is to say that presidential nomination contests in either party are anywhere near over.
Either the Republicans have no frontrunner, or that frontrunner is Mike Huckabee. Ostensible Republican presidential frontrunner Rudy Giuliani, recently matched in national polls by Huckabee and trailing in the early states, is now behind in Florida, the late January contest always seen by his campaign as the beginning of his big state surge toward the nomination.
Giuliani is, according to sources, scaling back his TV advertising in the New Hampshire primary. He isn’t joining the rush to Iowa. Poised to take advantage of these developments is John McCain, who this morning is endorsed by independent Democrat Joe Lieberman, the Democrats’ 2000 vice presidential nominee.
McCain and Lieberman are friends, and together co-authored a major bill to curb greenhouse gas emissions. But Lieberman’s move is also about the problems of the two most hawkish candidates, Giuliani and Fred Thompson. The former Law & Order star has melted to nothing in New Hampshire and is sagging in the South. Thompson is trying to get back in the race with a big push in Iowa between now and January 3rd; back in the race meaning a third place finish there behind Huckabee and Mitt Romney.
The introductory video to Rudy Giuliani’s reboot speech.
“America wants strength.”
Giuliani has been bleeding support for the past month over his close association with his driver-turned-New York police chief-turned-Giuliani business partner Bernie Kerik — indicted on federal corruption charges — along with a raft of stories about the New York police ferrying his then girlfriend Judy Nathan about.
Over the weekend, and tellingly in Florida rather than New Hampshire, Giuliani attempted to turn the tide with a major address laying out his governing vision for America. Much of his emphasis was on his longstanding hole card of the terrorism/national security/Iranian threat. But the US National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear weapons program has neutralized a lot of that message. The speech was familiar material and didn’t seem to make much of an impression in the media. Giuliani is in big trouble in the early contests and Florida, his longtime firewall state, isn’t till the end of January. And now he’s in trouble there, too.
Which may leave for national security hawks, as Lieberman is pointing out, John McCain. The former frontrunner was right for years about how badly the war in Iraq was going. His solution was not to pull out, it was to change course. Now, since the US armed forces are very capable and most guerillas are smart enough, as the history of counter-insurgency shows, to get out of the way of large forces in their midst, the time-limited military surge in Iraq is having an effect. A space has been created for a political settlement in the country. McCain is a famous Vietnam War hero who runs well in general election match-ups and looks prescient among Republicans. And he might win in New Hampshire if Giuliani falters further there and not all the independents go for the action in the Democratic primary around Obama and Clinton.
After some turbulence last week, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has seemingly stabilized his lead in the next door New Hampshire Republican presidential primary in a new poll. He is, however, threatened everywhere else by Mike Huckabee. John McCain’s running well back in second, with Rudy Giuliani and Mike Huckabee bunched right behind. Fred Thompson has melted away to 2%. Romney’s whole campaign has been predicated on winning Iowa and New Hampshire.
Now Iowa looks unlikely for Romney, making New Hampshire even more crucial for him. The good thing for Romney is that there aren’t many evangelicals in New Hampshire, so Huckabee’s surge in Iowa and the South isn’t cresting in the Granite State. The bad thing for Romney is that McCain won New Hampshire in 2000 and knows how to win it again. And he doesn’t have to waste his time between now and January 3rd in Iowa.
Romney’s big speech on religion didn’t help him much. Partly because he didn’t address concerns about his Mormon faith. Actually, he refuses to talk about it with any specificity. He could explain how he disagrees, if he does, with certain of its tenets that many Americans find to be weird. But his biggest problem as a candidate is that he’s a bit too perfect. Too smooth, too well-coifed and well-dressed. And that slickness plays into concerns about his recent changes of position on major valence issues like abortion, guns, and gays. He needs to be mussed up, develop a bit of a stammer. Too late for that sort of stage craft.
In contrast to Romney, Huckabee is greatly advantaged. He’s not, let’s say, overly glamorous. Which actually helps him fend off attacks and move beyond mistakes, of which he’s made quite a few.
Then there’s the Ron Paul factor. The libertarian anti-imperialist Republican congressman from Texas — whose views make those of Huckabee, now being denounced by much of the conventional right for his apostasies, look downright conventional — is still in single digits in every poll. But he is raising money hand over fist.
In fact, Paul’s reportedly raised an astounding $17.5 million in this quarter. Which puts him up in the Obama and Clinton class financially, far ahead of Giuliani, Thompson, and the rest of the Republicans scraping along without Mitt Romney’s very big checkbook.
This new Hillary Clinton spot features the senator with her mother
and her daughter. The campaign is trying to warm her up.
You may be noticing a raft of articles now about the problems with Hillary Clinton’s “inevitable” candidacy and the rise of Barack Obama. In fact, well, I did tell you so. Which does not make Obama inevitable. Ideally, you want to ambush the “inevitable” frontrunner a bit later than this.
Wild card element: The Christmas and New Year’s season. Who really wants to hear a negative campaign counterattack over Christmastime? I’m referring to normal people, of course.
Which brings us to the sad case of Hillary’s now former national co-chairman, Billy Shaheen, husband of former New Hampshire Governor Jeanne Shaheen, who attacked Obama for his teenage drug use, which Obama already chronicled in his autobiography. Shaheen resigned the next day, and Hillary apologized to Obama for the incident as they were about to board a plane taking them to the Des Moines debate. But the Clinton campaign keeps mentioning the word “cocaine.” Which is perhaps not the best strategy for the campaign of the wife of America’s famous playboy president.
Speaking of last week’s Iowa debates, they did nothing to hurt either Huckabee or Obama. The editor of the Des Moines Register, always a fairly dull newspaper, did her level best to make these debates — which should have been barn burners — absolutely soporific. Very bad for those of us watching in the middle of the day. The Register, incidentally, endorsed Hillary Clinton. The last time the paper backed the Democratic winner in Iowa was Walter Mondale, back in 1984. Probably not an association the Clintons are anxious to have out there. The Register also endorsed John McCain, but he’s not playing in Iowa and I doubt most Republicans care.
Obama, who leads in most of the recent Iowa polls, turned in an assured, polished debate performance. He also had the line of the debate. Asked by editor Carolyn Washburn how he can bring change in foreign policy when some of his top advisors in the field are former Clinton Administration officials — which prompted a loud and sustained laugh from Hillary Clinton, who said: “I want to hear the answer to that!” — Obama allowed as how he has advisors with a number of backgrounds. And then the zinger: “I’ll be happy to have you advising me, too, Hillary.” Which got the big laugh from the audience.
Hillary’s campaign is in trouble. Her subtext of inevitability, never real, is belatedly being jettisoned by even the most credulous reporters. Her theme of having the experience to make change work is under serious question. Her attacks on rival Obama aren’t very effective.
She tried for a long time to discredit Obama as a naif for wanting to talk with Iran. But the US National Intelligence Estimate, discounting years of saber rattling rhetoric in its assessment of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, makes Obama look prescient to Democrats and Hillary behind the curve. A series of scatter shot attacks on other fronts haven’t worked.
Then she decided to roll out a new advertising theme. Chart a new beginning with a theme of “New Beginnings.” In this ad, full of sunny vistas filled with appropriate Americans, all of it scored with cinematically uplifting music, Clinton calls for new beginnings on health care, education, and Iraq, running past themes and slogans through a media blender. It’s hard to see this doing much for her, although it may make her supporters feel better about the campaign.
Bill Clinton, according to several sources upset and frustrated about the situation — since he can’t step on stage and right it by himself, being term limited — went to Iowa last week to campaign but was sidelined by the ice storm. Making him even more frustrated. The former president is back in Iowa again this week for most of it.
John Edwards is trying to sprint from third to first in
Iowa. Backers say he’s found his “Voice,” in this new spot.
John Edwards is still a big factor in Iowa, though not so much anywhere else. Hillary’s hope is that he can either find a way to win Iowa, or at least split the anti-Hillary Democratic vote to enable her to squeak through. Her fear has to be that Obama and Edwards knock her into third place. Which might just destroy her candidacy then and there. …
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You know, HRC IS a warm and caring person — and I am saying that will all seriousness.
By all accounts, she loves her staff even if she is a little control freak-esque at times and lashes out. But, unlike Phil Angelides, she doesn’t regard them as servants.
The problem is that, because she is such a control freak, she doesn’t want people to see that side of her because she feels its a sign of weakness. And when she does open up to people, it is often too late and too forced. And it really hurts here with voters.
And folks, she comes by all of these psychological bugaboos quite honestly. Whether it was being treated as a 2nd class citizen b/c she was a ambitious woman straight out of Yale Law or it was b/c the hicks in Arkansas were afraid of a strong willed, independent minded, HIGHLY intelligent woman — not to mention her philandering husband –, HRC had to build up those walls both personally and politically to survive.
So, if HRC is a little leery of trusting people — part of me can’t blame her. But the political person in me thinks she should be strong enough and smart enough to let go on some things and focus on the task at hand. I would use those “issues” to your advantage to connect with voters emotionally — because we all have them. But she hasn’t and won’t do this in a real sense.
I will concede that she has tried to but, again, it often looks like she is trying too hard and the staff makes the whole thing look WAY too staged.
Holy crap…that was f(*)&(*&ing funny…in a sad/hopeful “Stranger Than Fiction” kind of way.
Bill Bradley :
Fortunately for you, you have no experience with an actual police state.
>Paul Burton :
Rudy da G is indeed a fascist and would continue the police state policies of Bush, Clinton, and Reagan
I am sorry…but this is even FUNNIER!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA…you guys are ON today!!!
Great work Carole!!!
carole w :
Re: Ron Paul
I don’t care what he stands for,I am not voting for a gynecologist. I bet you he has cold hands.
Thanks CADTS! You are my blogging Hero!
No wonder Giuliani won’t say who his clients are – he works for Parallax Corp. lol
No wonder Giuliani won’t say who his clients are – he works for Parallax Corp. lol
We obviously do not live in a fascist police state because Paul Burton is still around to entertain us.
It must be loads of fun to have a cute handle like “Kandy K Kid” – always so ready and Ann-like to betray ignorance and misread, misrepresent, and misunderstand. I pointed out some of the pillars of a fascist police state that are in place, which could lead to full blown fascism under a Giuliani administration. Read Naomi Wolf’s new book Fascist America, in 10 easy steps (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html)
I see no evidence that Rudy is not a fascist or that he is in any way concerned about democracy or equal rights. Bill Clinton brought you the Effective Death Penalty Act, setting the stage for gutting of habeas corpus rights, and Imperial Wing Nut Reagun asserted Executive dominance to wage his terror wars against Latin American civilians. Sorry you never heard about it, maybe folks need to check other news outlets.
Meanwhile, your vote is about to be stolen again (but that’s not a sign of fascims, of course..):
Monday, December 17, 2007 :Ohio’s top election official, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, announced Friday that the voting systems that decided the 2004 election in Ohio were rife with “critical security failures.” We speak with Harvey Wasserman, author of “What Happened in Ohio: A Documentary Record of Theft and Fraud in the 2004 Election.”
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The Clintons are much less attractive in panic spree.
Listen, if there are people on this blog that know about fascist states its gonna be folks like BB and Barbara who have ACTUALLY studied this stuff. Rudy isn’t a fascist — hell I was working in NYC government at the same time he was Mayor. I would hardly equate that service with fascism. And believe me, his “style” of leadership — bullheaded and stubborn that it can be — will find strong curbs on it in Washington DC.
With that said, any leader can fall prey to trappings of fascism. History is replete with examples…let us not forget how easy it is to also fall into the trap. Jingoism and patriotic fervor have led many a nation down that path. The only true obstacle to fascism is well-informed populace. Its amazing how close we, as Americans, have come to backsliding into dictatorship.
The funny thing is, Americans have a rather unique sense of when the scales have slipped to far one way or the other and have a great tendency to push back to preserve democracy. Guiliani, or any President, could really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
Listen, if there are people on this blog that know about fascist states its gonna be folks like BB and Barbara who have ACTUALLY studied this stuff. Rudy isn’t a fascist — hell I was working in NYC government at the same time he was Mayor. I would hardly equate that service with fascism. And believe me, his “style” of leadership — bullheaded and stubborn that it can be — will find strong curbs on it in Washington DC.
With that said, any leader can fall prey to trappings of fascism. History is replete with examples…let us not forget how easy it is to also fall into the trap. Jingoism and patriotic fervor have led many a nation down that path. The only true obstacle to fascism is well-informed populace. Its amazing how close we, as Americans, have come to backsliding into dictatorship.
The funny thing is, Americans have a rather unique sense of when the scales have slipped to far one way or the other and have a great tendency to push back to preserve democracy. Guiliani, or any President, could really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
This should read:
Guiliani, or any President, could NOT really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
(damn, I need an editor some days…)
BTW, who has odds on my New England Patriots going 16-0 in the regular season?
Depends who they play next.
Depends who they play next.
American institutions are too strong and disparate to allow for fascism.
>CADTS :
This should read:
Guiliani, or any President, could NOT really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
(damn, I need an editor some days…)
Dec 17, 2007 02:16 PM
American institutions are too strong and disparate to allow for fascism.
>CADTS :
This should read:
Guiliani, or any President, could NOT really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
(damn, I need an editor some days…)
Dec 17, 2007 02:16 PM
Who isn’t?
>Jack Aubrey :
The Clintons are much less attractive in panic spree.
Dec 17, 2007 01:41 PM
Pretty good.
>Ann :
No wonder Giuliani won’t say who his clients are – he works for Parallax Corp. lol
Dec 17, 2007 11:40 AM
Thanks!
>CADTS :
Holy crap…that was f(*)&(*&ing funny…in a sad/hopeful “Stranger Than Fiction” kind of way.
Bill Bradley :
Fortunately for you, you have no experience with an actual police state.
>Paul Burton :
Rudy da G is indeed a fascist and would continue the police state policies of Bush, Clinton, and Reagan
Dec 17, 2007 11:27 AM
Thanks!
>CADTS :
Holy crap…that was f(*)&(*&ing funny…in a sad/hopeful “Stranger Than Fiction” kind of way.
Bill Bradley :
Fortunately for you, you have no experience with an actual police state.
>Paul Burton :
Rudy da G is indeed a fascist and would continue the police state policies of Bush, Clinton, and Reagan
Dec 17, 2007 11:27 AM
I believe its that dreaded powerhouse known as the Miami Rotting Fishheads….I mean, Miami Dolphins
Bill Bradley :
Depends who they play next.
There is a great deal of personal psychology at work in this campaign.
>CADTS :
You know, HRC IS a warm and caring person — and I am saying that will all seriousness.
By all accounts, she loves her staff even if she is a little control freak-esque at times and lashes out. But, unlike Phil Angelides, she doesn’t regard them as servants.
The problem is that, because she is such a control freak, she doesn’t want people to see that side of her because she feels its a sign of weakness. And when she does open up to people, it is often too late and too forced. And it really hurts here with voters.
And folks, she comes by all of these psychological bugaboos quite honestly. Whether it was being treated as a 2nd class citizen b/c she was a ambitious woman straight out of Yale Law or it was b/c the hicks in Arkansas were afraid of a strong willed, independent minded, HIGHLY intelligent woman — not to mention her philandering husband –, HRC had to build up those walls both personally and politically to survive.
Richard, I was reminding you of why Lieberman is a Senate committee chairman. Because without him in the Senate Democratic caucus, there is no Democratic majority.
The Senate can be reorganized in mid-stream. It’s happened before.
>richard locicero :
Actually Bill the Senate is organized and the rule allows now change. But next year the Dems will pick several seats so Bye, Bye Joe!
Dec 17, 2007 11:15 AM
He doesn’t look like he has the best bedside manner.
>carole w :
Re: Ron Paul
I don’t care what he stands for,I am not voting for a gynecologist. I bet you he has cold hands.
Dec 17, 2007 10:39 AM
He doesn’t look like he has the best bedside manner.
>carole w :
Re: Ron Paul
I don’t care what he stands for,I am not voting for a gynecologist. I bet you he has cold hands.
Dec 17, 2007 10:39 AM
Bill Bradley :
American institutions are too strong and disparate to allow for fascism.
You are right, of course. I guess what I was saying that you can take our “institutions” only so far before they push back even harder.
Which begs the question BB: in your career and in your studies of American politics, did you ever feel there was a time (aside from now)where the potential existed? The only times in history I can think were during the Depression and possibly during the Vietnam War.
>CADTS :
This should read:
Guiliani, or any President, could NOT really sustain that kind of power for the long-term, although Bush has certainly tried.
(damn, I need an editor some days…)
Dec 17, 2007 02:16 PM
The Patriots play Miami, then close out against the New York Giants. NY is fighting for a play-off berth, and New England might be looking to avoid injuries going into the play-offs.
>CADTS :
I believe its that dreaded powerhouse known as the Miami Rotting Fishheads….I mean, Miami Dolphins
Bill Bradley :
Depends who they play next.
Dec 17, 2007 02:37 PM
I think there is frequently a potential for fascism in America. I think a lot of folks would be quite happy to have that kind of government, especially if they’re in the power elite.
Anytime when America is or appears to be in grave danger, the potential for fascism becomes quite real. The Depression, certainly. Perhaps moments during the Civil War, with a different president. Perhaps moments during the Cold War, probably before Vietnam, actually. There may have been moments earlier in this decade that, had another attack been carried out, could have led to fascism.
>CADTS :
Bill Bradley :
American institutions are too strong and disparate to allow for fascism.
You are right, of course. I guess what I was saying that you can take our “institutions” only so far before they push back even harder.
Which begs the question BB: in your career and in your studies of American politics, did you ever feel there was a time (aside from now)where the potential existed? The only times in history I can think were during the Depression and possibly during the Vietnam War.
After watching Eli this weekend…I believe he set the record for MOST incomplete passes thrown in a single game…I feel pretty good about the Pats chances.
But thats why I really love New England sports — its the incredibly HUGE factor of unpredictability that seems to visit Boston/New England sports team on a more consistent basis than other places — with the possible exception of Cleveland and Chicago.
Bill Bradley :
The Patriots play Miami, then close out against the New York Giants. NY is fighting for a play-off berth, and New England might be looking to avoid injuries going into the play-offs.
>CADTS :
I believe its that dreaded powerhouse known as the Miami Rotting Fishheads….I mean, Miami Dolphins
Bill Bradley :
Depends who they play next.
After watching Eli this weekend…I believe he set the record for MOST incomplete passes thrown in a single game…I feel pretty good about the Pats chances.
But thats why I really love New England sports — its the incredibly HUGE factor of unpredictability that seems to visit Boston/New England sports team on a more consistent basis than other places — with the possible exception of Cleveland and Chicago.
Bill Bradley :
The Patriots play Miami, then close out against the New York Giants. NY is fighting for a play-off berth, and New England might be looking to avoid injuries going into the play-offs.
>CADTS :
I believe its that dreaded powerhouse known as the Miami Rotting Fishheads….I mean, Miami Dolphins
Bill Bradley :
Depends who they play next.
Oprah seems to have quite an interesting effect
Good job Bill on the latest version of the most informative election analysis anywhere.
Thanks, Hap, I appreciate it! Glad to have you back.
But do they play Tom Brady and Randy Moss to go for records — TD passes and catches, as well as undefeated regular season — or do they hold them back to avoid injury, since the goal is the Super Bowl?
>CADTS :
After watching Eli this weekend…I believe he set the record for MOST incomplete passes thrown in a single game…I feel pretty good about the Pats chances.
Belichek is going for a perfect season to stick it in the eye (I will say THAT since this is a pg-rated site) of the SOB’s that said he won by cheating.
BTW, EVERY team in the NFL films the other team — legal and illegally.
Belichek is going for a perfect season to stick it in the eye (I will say THAT since this is a pg-rated site) of the SOB’s that said he won by cheating.
BTW, EVERY team in the NFL films the other team — legal and illegally.
Ah, but winning the Super Bowl is old hat for NE. No, the goal this time is immortality. They’ve demonstrated that all year with their willingness to play Brady et al long after wins were secured. No, they will prepare for the remainder of their games with the goal of going undefeated.
>since the goal is the Super Bowl?
Ah, but winning the Super Bowl is old hat for NE. No, the goal this time is immortality. They’ve demonstrated that all year with their willingness to play Brady et al long after wins were secured. No, they will prepare for the remainder of their games with the goal of going undefeated.
>since the goal is the Super Bowl?
I predict (and hope) that New England goes undefeated in the regular season, and then loses their first game in the playoffs.
But then I predict (and hope) that Thompson and Obama will be winners in Iowa.
Check the rule organizing this session. Johnson was out sick. Reid made sure that the Dems would run things until Jan 2009 no matter what.
Lieberman has repeatedly threatened to leave the Senate Democratic caucus.
You could be right.
>CADTS :
Belichek is going for a perfect season to stick it in the eye (I will say THAT since this is a pg-rated site) of the SOB’s that said he won by cheating.
BTW, EVERY team in the NFL films the other team — legal and illegally.
Dec 17, 2007 03:41 PM
Chris M :
Ah, but winning the Super Bowl is old hat for NE. No, the goal this time is immortality. They’ve demonstrated that all year with their willingness to play Brady et al long after wins were secured. No, they will prepare for the remainder of their games with the goal of going undefeated.
>since the goal is the Super Bowl?
Dec 17, 2007 03:41 PM
You could be right.
>CADTS :
Belichek is going for a perfect season to stick it in the eye (I will say THAT since this is a pg-rated site) of the SOB’s that said he won by cheating.
BTW, EVERY team in the NFL films the other team — legal and illegally.
Dec 17, 2007 03:41 PM
Chris M :
Ah, but winning the Super Bowl is old hat for NE. No, the goal this time is immortality. They’ve demonstrated that all year with their willingness to play Brady et al long after wins were secured. No, they will prepare for the remainder of their games with the goal of going undefeated.
>since the goal is the Super Bowl?
Dec 17, 2007 03:41 PM
Thompson’s not going to win Iowa.
>Hap Hazard :
I predict (and hope) that New England goes undefeated in the regular season, and then loses their first game in the playoffs.
But then I predict (and hope) that Thompson and Obama will be winners in Iowa.
Dec 17, 2007 04:00 PM
Richard…I like to think I know parliamentary procedures pretty well and I think there is a HUGE difference between being ill and changing whom you caucus with.
Johnson was ill but still considered to be caucused with the Dems … as is Lieberman. Johnson was listed as not voting — thats all. The minute Lieberman switches to caucus with the Reeps its a whole new ballgame.
But you are right, I think it becomes a moot point with several Reep senate seats in jeopardy in 2008.
That is all contingent upon whether or not Lieberman is stripped of his committee assignments.
CADTS:
If Belicheat did nothing wrong, why was he fined???
“If Belicheat did nothing wrong, why was he fined???
”
Same reason Mike Corona is being investigated – George Bush of course!
“If Belicheat did nothing wrong, why was he fined???
”
Same reason Mike Corona is being investigated – George Bush of course!
Brasky,
Thank you! That had totally escaped me. Yes, it had.